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Subject: Re: Website Items and Questions - 5/27
From: Lisa Mungia <lisa@finestweddingsites.com>
To: Diane Ursprunger <diane@finestweddingsites.com>
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See below in green

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From: Diane Ursprunger <diane@finestweddingsites.com>
Date: Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 1:59 PM
To: "lisa@finestweddingsites.com" <lisa@finestweddingsites.com>
Cc: "ashley@finestweddingsites.com" <Ashley@finestweddingsites.com>
Subject: Re: Website Items and Questions - 5/27

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Have you had time to review Clints comments on the Admin Reports edit below=
 regarding our questions about Requested URL=E2=80=99s and Referring domain ?

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I=E2=80=99m kinda lost=E2=80=A6..not fully following this. Do you feel like you underst=
and and our questions got answered adequately?

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Diane Ursprunger | Owner=20
Arizona's Finest Wedding Sites & Services=20
480.970.1948 | finestweddingsites.com=20
diane@finestweddingsites.com

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On Jun 29, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Clint Bullock <clint@seoteric.com> wrote:

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On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 5:30 PM Lisa Mungia <lisa@finestweddingsites.com> w=
rote:

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Admin Reports-

=C2=B7         Some of the Requested URLs have =E2=80=9Cleads/create_single=E2=80=9D in the=
 url path.  Where are these leads coming from?  Why different than other lea=
ds?  Where trying to figure out how/where the leads are coming from? OK with=
 his answer below
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=C2=B7         Why/how come Google is sometimes in the Referring Domain v Refer=
rer?  What path did a person take to have Google appear in Referring Domain?=
=C2=A0 I understand hi response but not sure it=E2=80=99s fixed.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s hard to test=
 this on stage b/c stage pages aren=E2=80=99t in google to create the different us=
er paths he discusses.=C2=A0 But he says the cookie has been fixed.=C2=A0 We just ha=
ve to keep an eye on it.=C2=A0 See below the example he gives =E2=80=93 does referring=
 domain fill for you?=C2=A0 It does not for me?
Can you refresh me on these tracking columns? The top 2 leads are me.

Hey Lisa,

For the first item, that "leads/create_single" path was being set as the "R=
equest Url" in the report most likely when the user was submitting the form =
multiple times due to input errors (that is, missing or incorrect form data)=
. That's the only way that I could reproduce the issue. The form is being su=
bmitted (via an HTTP POST request) to the "leads/create_single" route on the=
 server with the "Request Url" info in it; however, if the form was not subm=
itted successfully, it would come back to the same page, but the "Request Ur=
l" would now be set the route that it just came from, "leads/create_single".=
 You would never see this if the form was submitted successfully on the firs=
t try. Also, you can't get to that route directly in the web browser since i=
t only allows POSTing form data.

As a fix, the "Request Url" is now stored in a cookie and will not change w=
ith multiple form submissions. Technically speaking, if a request is a HTTP =
POST (form submission) it will not change. It only changes on HTTP GET reque=
sts. This change has been applied across the site, so it should fix this for=
 any form submissions. The "Request Url" should now always be the page that =
the person was on when the lead was completed.

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Here's some documentation for items 1 and 2:

Request URL:
"This is the page the person was on when the lead was completed." - Lisa

Referrer:
This is usually the last page that the person was on before arriving at the=
 current page. In this case, if the user is submitting the lead form, this w=
ill usually contain the previous page that led to the page with the lead for=
m.

It's more complicated than that, though:

The referrer information is pulled from the HTTP Referer (sic) header on th=
e request, and it's pulled from the user's browser. This is an optional head=
er and its presence on the request is subject to browser security settings a=
nd user preferences. That is, it's not guaranteed to be available, and it's =
possible for the end user to set this to anything. That is, this field is no=
t guaranteed to be useful in your reporting.

Reference:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer

Referring Domain:
When someone visits your website, the onsite analytics software creates a v=
isit with lots of useful information. One piece is the "referring domain" wh=
ich is the domain from the referrer. This is created once when the user firs=
t arrives at the site. Again, the referrer information coming from the user'=
s browser is not guaranteed to be correct or useful.

Examples:
The user has never been to the site. The user finds the site in Google. The=
 user clicks on a link to the site from the Google search results, the Visit=
 is created and stored in the database, and the Referring Domain value would=
 "www.google.com"
The user has never been to the site. The user opens the browser, types in y=
our site, and loads it directly. The Visit is created, but the Referring Dom=
ain is blank since no link to your site has been clicked.
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Thanks,

Clint

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oNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span=
 style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Diane Ursprunger &lt;diane@finestweddi=
ngsites.com&gt;<br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 1:59 PM<br><b>To:=
 </b>&quot;lisa@finestweddingsites.com&quot; &lt;lisa@finestweddingsites.com=
&gt;<br><b>Cc: </b>&quot;ashley@finestweddingsites.com&quot; &lt;Ashley@fine=
stweddingsites.com&gt;<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: Website Items and Questions - =
5/27<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p=
></div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Have you had time to review Clints comments on the=
 Admin Reports edit below regarding our questions about Requested URL=E2=80=99s an=
d Referring domain ?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I=E2=80=99m kinda lost=E2=80=A6..not fully following t=
his. Do you feel like you understand and our questions got answered adequate=
ly?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><=
div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.5pt;color:black'>Diane Ursprunger | Owner&nbsp;<br>Arizona's Finest =
Wedding Sites &amp;&nbsp;Services&nbsp;<br>480.970.1948 |&nbsp;<a href=3D"http=
://finestweddingsites.com">finestweddingsites.com</a>&nbsp;<br><a href=3D"mail=
to:diane@finestweddingsites.com">diane@finestweddingsites.com</a><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>=
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</p><blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal>On Jun 29, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Clint Bullock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:clin=
t@seoteric.com">clint@seoteric.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 5:30=
 PM Lisa Mungia &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lisa@finestweddingsites.com">lisa@finest=
weddingsites.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D'borde=
r:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left=
:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&lt;image003.png&gt;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>Admi=
n Reports-</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:=
l2 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Symbol'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times Ne=
w Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></s=
pan><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#404040'>Some of the Requested URLs have =E2=80=
=9Cleads/create_single=E2=80=9D in the url path.&nbsp; Where are these leads coming =
from?&nbsp; Why different than other leads?&nbsp; Where trying to figure out=
 how/where the leads are coming from?</span><span style=3D'color:#404040'> <sp=
an style=3D'background:lime;mso-highlight:lime'>OK with his answer below</span=
></span><span style=3D'color:#404040'><br></span>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-=
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<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol'><span style=3D'mso-list:Igno=
re'>=C2=B7<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><![endif]>Why/how come Google is =
sometimes in the Referring Domain v Referrer?&nbsp; What path did a person t=
ake to have Google appear in Referring Domain?<span style=3D'color:#404040'>=C2=A0=
 <span style=3D'background:lime;mso-highlight:lime'>I understand hi response b=
ut not sure it=E2=80=99s fixed.=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s hard to test this on stage b/c stage page=
s aren=E2=80=99t in google to create the different user paths he discusses.=C2=A0 But =
he says the cookie has been fixed.=C2=A0 We just have to keep an eye on it.</spa=
n>=C2=A0 <span style=3D'background:lime;mso-highlight:lime'>See below the example =
he gives =E2=80=93 does referring domain fill for you?=C2=A0 It does not for me?</span=
></span><br><span style=3D'color:#404040'>Can you refresh me on these tracking=
 columns?&nbsp;The top 2 leads are me.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquo=
te><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><b>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'><br><=
br></span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:=
#24292F'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;box-sizing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-sy=
stem;color:#24292F'>Hey Lisa,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D=
'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;f=
ont-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>For the first item, that &quot;leads=
/create_single&quot; path was being set as the &quot;Request Url&quot; in th=
e report most likely when the user was submitting the form multiple times du=
e to input errors (that is, missing or incorrect form data). That's the only=
 way that I could reproduce the issue. The form is being submitted (via an H=
TTP POST request) to the&nbsp;&quot;leads/create_single&quot; route on the s=
erver with the &quot;Request Url&quot; info in it; however, if the form was =
not submitted successfully, it would come back to the same page, but the &qu=
ot;Request Url&quot; would now be set the route that it just came from, &quo=
t;leads/create_single&quot;. You would never see this if the form was submit=
ted successfully on the first try. Also, you can't get to that route directl=
y in the web browser since it only allows POSTing form data.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>As a =
fix, the &quot;Request Url&quot; is now stored in a cookie and will not chan=
ge with multiple form submissions. Technically speaking, if a request is a H=
TTP POST (form submission) it will not change. It only changes on HTTP GET r=
equests. This change has been applied across the site, so it should fix this=
 for any form submissions. The &quot;Request Url&quot; should now always be =
the page that the person was on when the lead was completed.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'>=
<span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'><o:p>=
&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-si=
zing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;col=
or:#24292F'>Here's some documentation for items 1 and 2:<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><b><=
span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>Reques=
t URL:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;col=
or:#24292F'><br>&quot;This is the page the person was on when the lead was c=
ompleted.&quot; - Lisa<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin=
-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>Referrer:</span></b><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'><br>This is usually the l=
ast page that the person was on before arriving at the current page. In this=
 case, if the user is submitting the lead form, this will usually contain th=
e previous page that led to the page with the lead form.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>It's more=
 complicated than that, though:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal styl=
e=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt=
;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>The referrer information is pulled=
 from the HTTP Referer (sic) header on the request, and it's pulled from the=
 user's browser. This is an optional header and its presence on the request =
is subject to browser security settings and user preferences. That is, it's =
not guaranteed to be available, and it's possible for the end user to set th=
is to anything. That is, this field is not guaranteed to be useful in your r=
eporting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;box-sizing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-sy=
stem;color:#24292F'>Reference:<br><a href=3D"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H=
TTP_referer">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer</a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt;box-sizing:border-box'=
><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'>R=
eferring Domain:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-=
system;color:#24292F'><br>When someone visits your website, the onsite analy=
tics software creates a visit with lots of useful information. One piece is =
the &quot;referring domain&quot; which is the domain from the referrer. This=
 is created once when the user first arrives at the site. Again, the referre=
r information coming from the user's browser is not guaranteed to be correct=
 or useful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.=
0pt;box-sizing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-=
system;color:#24292F;background:lime;mso-highlight:lime'>Examples:</span><sp=
an style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F'><o:p></o=
:p></span></p><ol start=3D1 type=3D1><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:#24292F;ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;box=
-sizing:border-box'><span style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system'=
>The user has never been to the site. The user finds the site in Google. The=
 user clicks on a link to the site from the Google search results, the Visit=
 is created and stored in the database, and the Referring Domain value would=
 &quot;<a href=3D"http://www.google.com/">www.google.com</a>&quot;<o:p></o:p><=
/span></li><li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;box-sizing:border-box'><span sty=
le=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system'>The user has never been to t=
he site. The user opens the browser, types in your site, and loads it direct=
ly. The Visit is created, but the Referring Domain is blank since no link to=
 your site has been clicked.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p=
></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Clint<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><=
/blockquote></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></body=
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